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Posted - 2009.11.25 01:54:00 -
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Edited by: BANDIT BACKDOOR on 25/11/2009 01:58:15
Originally by: Tagami Wasp BS stuff trying to derail subject.
Couple of points: 1. webs/painters don't have scripts... 2. No one was whining about ecm and/or ecm ships being overpowered.
IMO ECMs strength evens out with the weakness of ECM platforms once they lose jam - and the falcon change was spot on since it allowed people to actually capitalize on ECM failing, while giving ECM ships more defence in the form of drones/weapons/more ecm strength. TL;DR - ecm is fine as it is.
However, you have a problem with both the dedicated minmatar and the gallente recons atm. Gallente have had their SD nerfed due to it being too effective on a regular ship, but the EWar ships weren't buffed to keep them balanced as dedicated EW ships. Minmatar got the shaft with the nanonerf, and since overall speed went down, so did web strength - but again, while changing the regular mod, they forgot to readjust the recon that relies on it. While caldari/amarr recons can use one EW module (be it nuet/TD/ECM) to have an actual effect on another ship (chance based or not - being balanced with power of the mods), minmatar and gallente recons have to apply atleast two mods to have any noticeable and real change on another ship (TP/Web/SD require atleast two mods to have any noticeable effect). With gallente it isn't as bad since scrams and 24k points are useful even when using one mod - while webs require atleast two to be effective, and TPs require the same amount and its debatable if they're worth the slot..
ATM a huginn (and to a lesser extent, a rapier) are pretty much useless - I can hardly think of a situation where I wouldn't want a curse/lach/scimitar(for the poor sobs who trained minmatar) flying with me over a huginn.
Trying to speed control? Curse will nuet them at almost the same ranges, and if target has cap charges, a scram at 20k+ from a lach will easily stop 99% of ships (no one fits ABs except for AFs and some BSs, and in both cases you're faster with a MWD.)
Trying to do DPS? falloff will mean your huginn (highest recon dps on paper/eft) wont do max damage, same with sig radius for your heavies - you can maybe hope for drone dps + 50% of paper, meaning a curse with just drones will outdamage you. Not to mention a nanocane, a vaga, an ishtar, and about any other cruiser/BC hull can outdamage you and still perform every one of your useful functions.
Want to target paint? be my guest, but be ready to have a paper tank and gimp fitting, while still being less effective than any other recon.
However, even with a web bonus of 7.5% huginns will again become useful in certain niches, while allowing other recons to keep their niches. TPs are kinda broken atm, and should be looked into deeper. and SDs only need a real small boost (3%? 2%?) to make them be effective on the 1 module level, same with TDs and ECMs.
Edit: Spelling and clarifications.
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